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HolyJJ · « **on:** December 08, 2015, 09:22:04 AM »

The next edition to the Classic series from EPCC appears to be ready for release sometime soon... and unlike the previous 4 colours of Classic, this new edition, as the name suggests, features EPCC's new Robusto stock.

Looks great in the image... and so I'm hoping that the handling is just as great also!

PrincessTrouble · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2015, 10:37:38 AM »

The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?

HankMan · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2015, 04:52:39 PM »

Quote from: PrincessTrouble on December 08, 2015, 10:37:38 AM

The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?

It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)

Justin O. · Quote from: touya on September 15, 2019, 03:53:04 AM

Quote from: HankMan on December 08, 2015, 04:52:39 PM

Quote from: PrincessTrouble on December 08, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?

It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)

Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?

Don Boyer · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2015, 12:19:24 AM »

Quote from: Justin O. on December 08, 2015, 05:45:45 PM

Quote from: HankMan on December 08, 2015, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: PrincessTrouble on December 08, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?

It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)

Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?

Robusto is indeed the market name for what was being called "Iron Stock" while it was still in development. Cigar smokers will easily recognize the name - it's the largest of cigar sizes.

I can't recall which CARD CULTURE had the article on EPCC's stocks, but I do recall that the mid-year special issue reprinted it, so it was definitely before October. That special issue was free of charge to the public and a link should still be around here if you wanted to check it out.

The stock is SIGNIFICANTLY thicker than anything else EPCC offers, and makes old-school Bee Casino look more like modern Bicycle stock. I think an entire deck, measured in haste with a caliper, was in the ballpark of 10mm thicker than any of their other stocks! You can see and feel the difference immediately. If you like your stock bullet-proof, this is the next best thing. If you want to practice card throwing with it, stay away from the windows and any delicate or not-so-delicate breakables and don't throw them at your little brother!

HankMan · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2015, 02:40:03 AM »

Quote from: Don Boyer on December 09, 2015, 12:19:24 AM

Quote from: Justin O. on December 08, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: HankMan on December 08, 2015, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: PrincessTrouble on December 08, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
The foiling looks terrific. Can you give us any details about the Robusto stock?

It was covered in 1 of the card culture edition - October if I am not mistaken.
In the card culture it was calles something else - Iron Stock (somewhere along that)

Oh is this their mysterious 'iron stock'? I have been curious to see this hit the market. Heaviest stock available from what I understand..?

Robusto is indeed the market name for what was being called "Iron Stock" while it was still in development. Cigar smokers will easily recognize the name - it's the largest of cigar sizes.

I can't recall which CARD CULTURE had the article on EPCC's stocks, but I do recall that the mid-year special issue reprinted it, so it was definitely before October. That special issue was free of charge to the public and a link should still be around here if you wanted to check it out.

The stock is SIGNIFICANTLY thicker than anything else EPCC offers, and makes old-school Bee Casino look more like modern Bicycle stock. I think an entire deck, measured in haste with a caliper, was in the ballpark of 10mm thicker than any of their other stocks! You can see and feel the difference immediately. If you like your stock bullet-proof, this is the next best thing. If you want to practice card throwing with it, stay away from the windows and any delicate or not-so-delicate breakables and don't throw them at your little brother!

I just checked it, it was the July edition... oh my time really flies too quick..

HolyJJ · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2015, 03:12:59 AM »

I, for one, like thick cards and I also like cards to be very sturdy... and so Robusto really does appeal to me.

I think it'll be excellent for gambling slights and riffle stacking routines (even though Erdnase was of the belief that thin and flexible cards are best).

Before USPCC's Bee Casino stock turned into the flimsy toilet paper stock that it is today, the old Bee Casino stock that was used in Ohio really did have a nice thickness and feel to it. If Don says that Robusto trumps even that, then seriously, this could be very impressive!

The fact that the back design for this deck looks so darn cool, is a massive bonus. The only *potential* letdown could be the usual registration issues associated with foil on playing cards... because as has already been discussed in other threads, the Taiwan factory hasn't perfected foil application just yet.

The Classic Twins were an excellent debut* for EPCC's Classic Finish, and the Robusto Classic is undoubtedly a great start for the Robusto stock.

*Although the Sharps were the first deck to feature the classic finish, they weren't mass produced, and are still relatively tough to find.

EPCC's instagram account states that this deck might release before Christmas... and that'd be pretty awesome!

Don Boyer · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2015, 12:09:08 PM »

Quote from: HankMan on December 09, 2015, 02:40:03 AM

I just checked it, it was the July edition... oh my time really flies too quick..

Yup - the special issue was an August release.

Just looked at the photos again - yes, I remembered the measurements wrong. Here's the breakdown. Using crudely-done measurements using a digital caliper, I measured the thickness of a single deck including jokers of each of the four stocks EPCC offered at the time.

Master stock: 15.41 mm
Classic stock: 16.25 mm
Damask stock: 16.18 mm (this was surprising, because that's supposed to be a bit thinner than Master, but stocks do have variances)
Robusto/"Codename: Iron" stock: 17.27 mm

A full millimeter thicker than Classic, nearly two thicker than Master. A millimeter, for those Americans too lazy to look, is the thickness of a US dime - in a deck of cards, that's easily a few cards, depending on the stock's thickness. That Master stock deck would have needed perhaps 6-8 more cards to be as thick as the Robusto - you can even see in the photograph of all four decks side-by-side that the Robusto is visibly thicker, despite my masking I had to apply to disguise the deck. It was made as a test deck in a generic pattern that Bill Kalush didn't want to appear in photos - I was lucky he let me photograph the deck in the first place.

Quote from: HolyJJ on December 09, 2015, 03:12:59 AM

I, for one, like thick cards and I also like cards to be very sturdy... and so Robusto really does appeal to me.

I think it'll be excellent for gambling slights and riffle stacking routines (even though Erdnase was of the belief that thin and flexible cards are best).

Before USPCC's Bee Casino stock turned into the flimsy toilet paper stock that it is today, the old Bee Casino stock that was used in Ohio really did have a nice thickness and feel to it. If Don says that Robusto trumps even that, then seriously, this could be very impressive!

The fact that the back design for this deck looks so darn cool, is a massive bonus. The only *potential* letdown could be the usual registration issues associated with foil on playing cards... because as has already been discussed in other threads, the Taiwan factory hasn't perfected foil application just yet.

The Classic Twins were an excellent debut* for EPCC's Classic Finish, and the Robusto Classic is undoubtedly a great start for the Robusto stock.

*Although the Sharps were the first deck to feature the classic finish, they weren't mass produced, and are still relatively tough to find.

EPCC's instagram account states that this deck might release before Christmas... and that'd be pretty awesome!

Simply put, you'll love this stock. What's going to be a real plus is that the pressure from the foil application process can sometimes leave an impression of the foil stamp through the front of the card - the thicker stock should help to prevent this very nicely.

Anthony · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2015, 01:28:33 PM »

They are indeed very sturdy

Cardfool · « **Reply #9 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:21:06 PM »

OK, stop torturing us already, when will they be released

. I know that EPCC said that it might be before Christmas, but this waiting is killing me

HolyJJ · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:23:28 PM »

Quote from: Cardfool on December 13, 2015, 05:21:06 PM

OK, stop torturing us already, when will they be released . I know that the sid that it might be before Christmas, but this waiting is killing me

EPCC are considering releasing these beauties on Wednesday

Cardfool · « **Reply #11 on:** December 13, 2015, 05:41:55 PM »

Thanks HolyJJ! i jist saw that on their instagram too...hope I am one of the lucky few that can get a hold of the first batch of decks on Wednesday!

ksi · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2015, 10:18:09 AM »

I am interested to get some too.
This looks quite nice and I like thick stock.

BiggerDee · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2015, 11:52:06 AM »

HolyJJ, have you (or has anyone) heard any more about a release date? I would imagine that if they were going to be today, folks on the EPCC mailing list would have already received a notice. I haven't received anything personally. Just curious! :-)

HolyJJ · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2015, 12:00:09 PM »

BiggerDee,

The release date that EPCC proposed is indeed today... but it was relatively clear that this provisional release date was a best case scenario, rather than a finalised date.

Anyhow, if it does release today, then I'd expect the e-mail to go out in 4 or 5 hours time -- off the top of my head, that's the usual time of day when EPCC/CARC e-mails go out.

BiggerDee · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2015, 04:53:21 PM »

Thank you for the update. I'm a bit impatient, I suppose! :-)

Cardfool · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2015, 05:23:49 PM »

Just announced via instagram, a small batch will be released tomorrow, they didn't make it in time for today!

Anthony · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2015, 08:52:49 PM »

First Look at Superior Brand on Kardiy.com
http://www.kardify.com/

Talisman · « **Reply #18 on:** December 17, 2015, 01:08:35 AM »

I checked out the descriptions and I'm trying to figure out is the only difference between these decks are that they are tuck swaps. Can someone confirm this for me. Thanks.

Cardfool · « **Reply #19 on:** December 17, 2015, 02:16:00 AM »

See Don's description of the stock at the top of this thread...the stock for this deck is called 'Robusto' and is thicker than any other stock currently availible, which is what makes this deck so special, aside from the fact that Jackson Robinson designed the tuck

Talisman · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2015, 03:00:12 AM »

I got that part. I just wanted to know if the cards are identical. I went to Conjuring Arts website and there weren't but two photos of the inexpensive tuck.

Don Boyer · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2015, 05:22:43 AM »

I know what he's talking about. Bill Kalush told me about this deck a while back but I've been swore to secrecy on it until it was ready for release.

Superior is a new brand for Expert PCC. The first release in this brand has the Classic card back - meaning the backs are identical in basic design (though not colors) to the original Classic decks, done in red, blue, black and gold. I'm mostly certain, if my memory serves me well, that they'll have a new face design that will be the standard face design of the Superior brand. Beyond that, I can't say - you have to wait for the release.

I believe there are plans being put into place for future releases with new back designs. Think of it in some ways as being like the Bicycle brand for USPC back in the old days. There was a standard Bicycle face and several different back designs in different colors were marketed. Whether they were Leaf Backs, Santa Backs, Rider Backs, Coral Backs, Tri-Tire Backs, Racer Backs, Cupid Backs, etc., they were all still Bicycle decks. This is what the Superior brand is being positioned to be for Expert PCC. As the Classics have an old-style face, I think Bill wanted a more up-to-date face for the Superiors, but I can't say with certainty as I haven't seen samples of the faces yet and the concept may have changed. When he spoke to me about it last, it was still in the planning stages so there could be any number of differences now.

BiggerDee · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:18:10 AM »

I saw all of the info about the deck/release on Facebook, but they only said "today". Anyone have a guess on a release time?

PrincessTrouble · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2015, 10:44:53 AM »

Quote from: Talisman on December 17, 2015, 03:00:12 AM

I got that part. I just wanted to know if the cards are identical. I went to Conjuring Arts website and there weren't but two photos of the inexpensive tuck.

The Classic Reserve has foiled backs. The regular Classic does not. The Reserve decks are limited to 1,000 with only 100 being released today.

BiggerDee · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2015, 12:16:03 PM »

These designers and companies frustrate me. Why they insist that I go through the trouble of actually ordering is beyond me. They know what I like, and they have my credit card number on file. They should just drive by my house, jam as many into the mailbox as they can, and then charge me accordingly. Simple.

:-)