Chicken Nuggets

[PrincessTrouble]

Vintage. High quality. Hilarious. A modern rendition of the legendary Jerry's Nugget playing cards. Meet the Chicken Nuggets.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hansonchien/legend-reborn-chicken-nugget-playing-cards

[Justin O.]

In for two, will likely upgrade for a few more, love the homage.

[Cardfool]

Got some from the prototype run and have now backed for a bunch more on KS...really like this deck!

[Fess]

I backed these as well. They're amusing in a great way. I've never been a fan of the card back layout but the courts make up for it and the joke is great. Pretty hard to pass these up. 

[Don Boyer]

They hit the $40K stretch goal - now there's a black deck to imitate the black counterfeits!

Red decks will get a blue card in them and blue decks will get a black card in them.

Black decks are one free per brick of reds or reds/blues, or can be added on for $20 a piece.  Different stock, softer - he said it's better for magic.

[Justin O.]

I'm a little irritated (maybe I'm just being entitled) that at over 400% of his goal his big gift to the backers is just a different colored card in the deck and a 20$ recolor you can add on

[Cardfool]

I'm a little irritated (maybe I'm just being entitled) that at over 400% of his goal his big gift to the backers is just a different colored card in the deck and a 20$ recolor you can add on

I feel the same way...Irritated, but maybe I am spoiled by the likes of Lorenzo and Giovanni  

The 'so-called' new extra card was in the first run of decks that he did for prototyping on the back of the guarantee card...wonder if it will be a double backer instead, one side red/one side blue for the red deck and one side blue/one side black for the blue deck?

Regardless, I'm still in for a few of the black deck add-ons

[Fess]

Haha, this struck me as funny fellas. If you're in for a brick, you get a free deck. That seems pretty damn cool to me. Whatever the print run on the blacks is doesn't even matter. It's a free deck. That means a lot of backers are pretty happy about the black showing up. Personally I don't really care what color it is, it could be yellow. I don't even care what stock it's printed on haha. It's the best kind of deck available, free. The different card in the decks is also cool, it's a bonus. Something unexpected that he's doing for the backers. I think it's great myself.

Charging $20 for an add-on deck seems a bit steep but it is a chase deck. He clearly states that it won't be sold independently after the KS campaign. Anything that is perceived as being rare usually comes with a premium price so this is the Cnuggs limited edition offering. No problem with that right? Really, who of us here hasn't spent more than twenty clams on a limited or moderately rare deck? 

I'm interested in checking out the stock he's going to be using on the Black Cnuggs. It may be something really special. I've on rare occasion gotten a hold a soft deck that felt buttery soft and was a delight to have in hand. Soft decks have been like a crap shoot in my experience and to be honest are probably utterly wasted on me since I have no magician skill to speak of haha.

[Don Boyer]

Some people aren't happy no matter what you give them...

Don't like the black deck?  Don't buy it.  Don't like the extra card?  Throw it away.  Don't want the free deck with your brick?  Sell it on eBay or give it to some kid you know...  You're exactly as well off as you were before the stretch goal was reached.  Yay!

I was thinking that Chien might end up getting into legal issues with the Jerry's Nugget casino over the appropriation of the logo - but then I remembered that parody is protected under free speech!  I might go ahead a back for a few - money's tight but this seems too fun to pass on.  I just have to see if I can wring a few extra bucks out of the budget.

[Justin O.]

Some people aren't happy no matter what you give them...

I'm a little entitled, sure, but the creator shouldn't bullshit me by saying 'stretch goals here!' then not listing any. By teasing a backer gift and giving us a single card. By claiming that the project has reached 800% of it's goal and saying thank you for allowing me to pocket all of this extra money, here's an expensive deck, but it's ok because 'super limited!', and you even get one for free if you've already spent over $100. /rant

I've been spoiled by other creators for sure. I will throw the extra card away and I'm not going to buy a black deck. I know that I only have myself to blame for my expectations, but that doesn't make me feel any less irritated, regardless of whether it's justified or not

[Don Boyer]

Some people aren't happy no matter what you give them...

I'm a little entitled, sure, but the creator shouldn't bullshit me by saying 'stretch goals here!' then not listing any. By teasing a backer gift and giving us a single card. By claiming that the project has reached 800% of it's goal and saying thank you for allowing me to pocket all of this extra money, here's an expensive deck, but it's ok because 'super limited!', and you even get one for free if you've already spent over $100. /rant

I've been spoiled by other creators for sure. I will throw the extra card away and I'm not going to buy a black deck. I know that I only have myself to blame for my expectations, but that doesn't make me feel any less irritated, regardless of whether it's justified or not

That right there is the key.  Since you were promised nothing more than "a stretch goal," you only have yourself to blame for getting one and being disappointed in it.  Now if he'd promised free decks, gold doubloons, loose women, etc., then I can see how you'd be justified...  But he didn't!

[Justin O.]

That right there is the key.  Since you were promised nothing more than "a stretch goal," you only have yourself to blame for getting one and being disappointed in it.  Now if he'd promised free decks, gold doubloons, loose women, etc., then I can see how you'd be justified...  But he didn't!

To be fair, he did pluralize it, 'goals'. I take responsibility for my entitlement and expectations, but I feel like there is at least... 20% blame on the creator at least..?

[Fess]

I take responsibility for my entitlement and expectations, but I feel like there is at least... 20% blame on the creator at least..?

Sure your expectations are entirely up to you. Some campaigns meet them and others exceed them while some may fall short. I'm curious though. Why is the creator to blame in any way, shape or form for what your expectations of un-named stretch goals may or may not be? I really don't understand this portion of your comment. From my perspective it only makes sense that playing cards or an upgrade to the playing cards would be the stretch goal. There are already so much going on here from tuck boxes, brick boxes, garments and various other doo dads I don't even remember off the top of my head available.

[Don Boyer]

To be fair, he did pluralize it, 'goals'. I take responsibility for my entitlement and expectations, but I feel like there is at least... 20% blame on the creator at least..?

...and how do you know there aren't MORE goals that just haven't been reached yet?

It's 100% you! 

Seriously, he's adding something to the project, plain and simple.  He didn't have to add a blasted thing.  To be unhappy about that is akin to being unhappy that your paint store offers more than two or three colors, or that your pizza shop just added a new topping choice.

Sure your expectations are entirely up to you. Some campaigns meet them and others exceed them while some may fall short. I'm curious though. Why is the creator to blame in any way, shape or form for what your expectations of un-named stretch goals may or may not be? I really don't understand this portion of your comment. From my perspective it only makes sense that playing cards or an upgrade to the playing cards would be the stretch goal. There are already so much going on here from tuck boxes, brick boxes, garments and various other doo dads I don't even remember off the top of my head available.

In the simplest possible terms, he's complaining about the fact that "stretch goal" and "freebie" aren't synonyms...  That's all him, no one else.

[Justin O.]

...and how do you know there aren't MORE goals that just haven't been reached yet?

I do love those secret stretch goals!
And maybe it's silly of me to have an expectation of what 'Stretch Goals' means based on the way it has been nearly exclusively used on virtually every other Kickstarter project that uses the term, but I think it's somewhat reasonable to have expectations.
Is it so outrageous that the project creator might be even remotely culpable for using a term that has a generally accepted concept format based on it's history of use? I can't be that far removed from reality.

That's all him, no one else.

And c'mon now Don, don't patronize me, it's not just me, I believe CardFool above expressed the same irritation not even 8 posts back. As well as users at UC and I'm pretty sure I saw one person in the project comments express the same irritation.

[Justin O.]

Hanson Chien Production Company? Does he have his own printer? Or is this part of the joke?

Speculation was USPCC based on them having printed the Jerry's Nuggets originally, but I don't know that that was ever confirmed by the creator. I believe.. Expert and Legends use a Taiwan printer..? Help me out here Don, I know I have seen you talk about this before but can't find where..

[Don Boyer]

...and how do you know there aren't MORE goals that just haven't been reached yet?

I do love those secret stretch goals!
And maybe it's silly of me to have an expectation of what 'Stretch Goals' means based on the way it has been nearly exclusively used on virtually every other Kickstarter project that uses the term, but I think it's somewhat reasonable to have expectations.
Is it so outrageous that the project creator might be even remotely culpable for using a term that has a generally accepted concept format based on it's history of use? I can't be that far removed from reality.

That's all him, no one else.

And c'mon now Don, don't patronize me, it's not just me, I believe CardFool above expressed the same irritation not even 8 posts back. As well as users at UC and I'm pretty sure I saw one person in the project comments express the same irritation.

Here it is, plain and simple.  He offered a very common stretch goal - a new color pattern of the same deck for which the project was created.  I have seen countless project before it offer the same thing and no one was surprised or shocked.  You're still hanging on to a belief that "stretch goal" and "backer freebie" are one and the same.  They are not.  Period.  Nothing more to say about it, really.  You almost sound as if you'd have preferred he offer no stretch goal at all, nothing extra for anyone.

Hanson Chien Production Company? Does he have his own printer? Or is this part of the joke?

Speculation was USPCC based on them having printed the Jerry's Nuggets originally, but I don't know that that was ever confirmed by the creator. I believe.. Expert and Legends use a Taiwan printer..? Help me out here Don, I know I have seen you talk about this before but can't find where..

The project page says exactly who is printing it - and it isn't USPC.  It's some firm called HCPC in Taiwan, who is supposedly using the "uses the original Jerry’s Nugget color spec provided by U.S. Playing Card Company" - that baloney, because there's no way USPC even kept the records from forty-six years ago!  But that also doesn't matter, because with color-matching technology being what it is today, anyone can reproduce a color with a very high degree of accuracy - they do it in the paint section of any big-box hardware store countless times a day.

The goal alone should have clued you in - there's no way he's making two deck colors with USPC on a budget of only $5,000, even with the new 1,000-deck minimum print run size, not without subsidizing.

It appears that, technically speaking, they may have bent if not broken the rules for a Kickstarter project.  With all the photos and reviews and the phrasing used in a lot of the copy, it appears that the decks, at least the red and blue ones, have already been printed - a test run at the least, if not a full-blown production run.  You're not supposed to run a KS project for something that's already been made, so if was exists today was anything more than a test run or a handful of prototypes, shame on them.  Not that KS really cares, as long as they collect the fees when the project closes and no one bitches that they're being ripped off somehow, which they don't appear to be.

[Cardfool]

It appears that, technically speaking, they may have bent if not broken the rules for a Kickstarter project.  With all the photos and reviews and the phrasing used in a lot of the copy, it appears that the decks, at least the red and blue ones, have already been printed - a test run at the least, if not a full-blown production run.  You're not supposed to run a KS project for something that's already been made, so if was exists today was anything more than a test run or a handful of prototypes, shame on them.  Not that KS really cares, as long as they collect the fees when the project closes and no one bitches that they're being ripped off somehow, which they don't appear to be.

Don't know whether KS staff is not thorough or that they just don't care, but Hanson clearly states that a Mass Printing for Quality Check was done in November 2015 in his timeline at the bottom of his project page.  Maybe because it was a mass printing for quality check and not actual mass production for sale?

Either way, I ain't complaining (too much) and still backed for a brick (so I got my free deck), plus I added more black decks   Needless to say, I really like this deck

[Don Boyer]

It appears that, technically speaking, they may have bent if not broken the rules for a Kickstarter project.  With all the photos and reviews and the phrasing used in a lot of the copy, it appears that the decks, at least the red and blue ones, have already been printed - a test run at the least, if not a full-blown production run.  You're not supposed to run a KS project for something that's already been made, so if was exists today was anything more than a test run or a handful of prototypes, shame on them.  Not that KS really cares, as long as they collect the fees when the project closes and no one bitches that they're being ripped off somehow, which they don't appear to be.

Don't know whether KS staff is not thorough or that they just don't care, but Hanson clearly states that a Mass Printing for Quality Check was done in November 2015 in his timeline at the bottom of his project page.  Maybe because it was a mass printing for quality check and not actual mass production for sale?

Either way, I ain't complaining (too much) and still backed for a brick (so a got my free deck), plus I added more black decks   Needless to say, I really like this deck

Nobody's complaining.  I'm betting that print run was sold out or given away and he's still creating a new print run for this project, which would make it legit, I believe.

[PrincessTrouble]

FYI, I asked Hanson if the printer that HCPC will use is the same Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.  He said no.

[Justin O.]

FYI, I asked Hanson if the printer that HCPC will use is the same Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.  He said no.

Thank you, that's what I was wondering.

[Cardfool]

Looks like there will be another stretch goal at 50K...wonder what it is

[Don Boyer]

FYI, I asked Hanson if the printer that HCPC will use is the same Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.  He said no.

Thank you, that's what I was wondering.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  It's actually less about the printer, more about the stock.  The best Asian printers tend to use stocks based from Europe.  EPCC and LPCC used European stocks.

[Justin O.]

FYI, I asked Hanson if the printer that HCPC will use is the same Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.  He said no.

Thank you, that's what I was wondering.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  It's actually less about the printer, more about the stock.  The best Asian printers tend to use stocks based from Europe.  EPCC and LPCC used European stocks.

USPCC and makeplayingcards.com use German stocks right?
And I know that makeplayingcards.com uses digital printers, and can't match press quality, but believe I read somewhere that they recently started using presses. I know that USPCC and Legends use presses, I assume Expert does as well..?

[Don Boyer]

FYI, I asked Hanson if the printer that HCPC will use is the same Taiwan factory used by EPCC and LPCC.  He said no.

Thank you, that's what I was wondering.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.  It's actually less about the printer, more about the stock.  The best Asian printers tend to use stocks based from Europe.  EPCC and LPCC used European stocks.

USPCC and makeplayingcards.com use German stocks right?
And I know that makeplayingcards.com uses digital printers, and can't match press quality, but believe I read somewhere that they recently started using presses. I know that USPCC and Legends use presses, I assume Expert does as well..?

I have no idea where MPC sources their stocks from.  The stocks Expert and Legends use in Taiwan come from Europe - that much I have confirmed by Bill Kalush.  He's understandably secretive about the precise source, because he wants to protect it for his business.  The Taiwan plant uses offset presses.  Legends does some work at a different plant with different stocks (I think the Serpentine deck was the first) - I have no information on what presses or stock sources that plant uses, only that it's in mainland China somewhere.

MPC also uses a laser cutter instead of a die cutter to cut cards from their deck sheets.  You'd think this was a good thing, but it isn't, at least not how they're applying it.  The result is a perfectly clean, FLAT edge with zero degrees of bevel, meaning you can NOT weave shuffle or faro shuffle them at all.  I'd think there'd be some way to angle the laser to create a beveled edge, but if there is, MPC isn't using it.

Man, we're getting off-topic here...  Let's move things back to the Chicken Nuggets, shall we?  If you want to continue this subject, we should make a new topic for it.