EERIES Playing Cards - KS

[Fess]

EERIES Playing Cards
By Ominous Midnight Gatherings

[PrincessTrouble]

$14 for a Liberty deck?  Ugh.

[Don Boyer]

Are Liberty decks all that bad?  It is Gambler's Warehouse, after all.

I wish the back wasn't one way, but otherwise, it's an interesting design.

[Fess]

Are Liberty decks all that bad?  It is Gambler's Warehouse, after all.

No they're not. I snagged a brick of Liberty standards earlier this year. The two decks I've used from it both withstood over 800 shuffles from multiple people in play, without rips or tears. They're not as slippery as other manufacturers, they don't handle tip top but they are light years ahead of the worst decks I've used. They do have a coating on the cards and a nice linen emboss to the stock, if anything it's a little more pronounced than some others are. The stock is thin and that may put some off even though it's not a bad stock at all and has a nice flex no creasing from some of the more ham fisted shufflers if you know what I mean haha. Mongo shuffle now! -Bend slap, bend slap- They aren't Bikes, but most decks aren't. They aren't LPCC but again most decks aren't. Liberty make a decent product. I can't say that for some other companies.

Don you may know the Legacy black deck. This was printed by Liberty Playing Cards as I recall so you may have some experience with Liberty and not really known it.

I think it's important to remember in this day and age of printers having standard decks etc. It's not cheap to produce a custom deck of playing cards regardless of the printer used. It's worth it is you like the deck, it's not if you don't is what it boils down to. I'm backing this deck myself because I like the design. It's fun and i have no problems at all using a liberty deck.

Modify: LPCC is Legends Playing Cards for those who may not know.

[sprouts1115]

Don - How is back one-way?  I see that it's upside down.  The fan proves it.  I would think you would want to see a right side up  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  in the clock of a fan...

[PrincessTrouble]

I wasn't all that impressed with the Liberty standard backs.  The price was quite nice (what, like $4 a deck or so?).  But unfortunately I opened my Liberty limited (printed by EPCC) and the comparison was no contest for me.  Now, I think  of it as a $4 deck printer, not a $14 deck.

[Don Boyer]

Don - How is back one-way?  I see that it's upside down.  The fan proves it.  I would think you would want to see a right side up  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  in the clock of a fan...

Look at the two clock faces.  In one, the hour hand points to 10 and the 10 is in a red circle.  In the other, the hour hand points to 2 and the 2 is in a red circle.  Hence, the deck back design is not identical when rotated 180 degrees.

Beyond that, it does look like a two-way design - but it only takes a single difference to make it one-way.

I wasn't all that impressed with the Liberty standard backs.  The price was quite nice (what, like $4 a deck or so?).  But unfortunately I opened my Liberty limited (printed by EPCC) and the comparison was no contest for me.  Now, I think  of it as a $4 deck printer, not a $14 deck.

Few things will compare to an Expert deck!

Perhaps if the price was a little lower...  Fess seems to feel that while they're not perfect, they're better than run-of-the-mill.  We're so used to getting top-notch decks that we forget there's a middle ground - and that middle-ground decks should be priced as such.

[Fess]

I'm sorry but I just won't compare Liberty playing cards to Expert playing cards. I would think it goes without saying but if Liberty was able to produce EPCC style quality, they would have done it in house not had EPCC do it for the chase deck.

Liberty Playing Cards roots in the casino field, right? They've been around since 1970. It stands to reason that Liberty Playing cards are good playing cards for use playing with in games many shuffles etc. They're a thin stock that is springy, stiff and resilient in short they hold up to the abuse. I suspect it's part of the design of the stock and why they use it. They don't fan well but they play well. MPC's fan better edges of the cards are smooth like glass from the laser, Liberty's play much better the resiliency of the stock is great. While the Liberty edges are cut with steel and feel on the rougher side they don't fan so well. They're not Game Crafter bad by any stretch of the imagination. Those are wretched and in my opinion the worst because their die is, I'm pretty sure, actual crap. My Liberty's are centered very well. I'll grab a photo for you from one of the probably 900 shuffles by now decks.

I think Liberty Playing Cards is a great choice to print a custom deck. This one has some printing challenges that I think Liberty can handle. MPC has struggled with this kind of full bleed. For price I tend to agree, I'd be much happier paying $8 for these. Campaign funding total does reflect a mid range cost which is very nice to see. It's also great to see a choice of Liberty being used instead of MPC or much worse, we all know what that common one is without me having to mention it rhymes with farts. I mentioned it anyway haha.

[PrincessTrouble]

I think Liberty is decent enough, but it's not a $14 deck.

[Cardfool]

I think Liberty is decent enough, but it's not a $14 deck.

Agreed and despite the fact that I really like the art, I just can't see myself shelling out 14 for it...sorry, but will have to pass for now

[Don Boyer]

Liberty Playing Cards roots in the casino field, right? They've been around since 1970. It stands to reason that Liberty Playing cards are good playing cards for use playing with in games many shuffles etc. They're a thin stock that is springy, stiff and resilient in short they hold up to the abuse. I suspect it's part of the design of the stock and why they use it. They don't fan well but they play well. MPC's fan better edges of the cards are smooth like glass from the laser, Liberty's play much better the resiliency of the stock is great. While the Liberty edges are cut with steel and feel on the rougher side they don't fan so well. They're not Game Crafter bad by any stretch of the imagination. Those are wretched and in my opinion the worst because their die is, I'm pretty sure, actual crap. My Liberty's are centered very well. I'll grab a photo for you from one of the probably 900 shuffles by now decks.

It's not necessarily true that Liberty's roots are in casino decks.  They were just a small custom-deck printing company, founded as you said in 1970 - how much of that was casino work and how much of that was other private-label work is not known.  In the 1980s, they bought all the playing cards assets of Western Publishing, the most notable of which being the Whitman brand.  More recently, they were purchased by Gambler's Warehouse and relocated from their original home in Chicago to GW's home outside of Dallas.  So whatever they were making before almost doesn't matter - they're in a wholly different plant.

I would be leery about having my own playing cards printed - I can't imagine getting anywhere near Copag quality. But I've never really compared just how good customized cards really are.

Good luck, nutn

First, welcome to the forum - this being your first post.

If it wasn't for custom-printed playing cards, this forum wouldn't exist!  You really need to get out there and see some of the great custom work that's being done by artists and printers.  Thousands of card collectors on this forum can't ALL be wrong, can they?

BTW: it remains to be seen for how much longer Copag's quality will remain where it is.  I know they have a solid reputation as a card maker, especially among poker players for their plastic decks, but as of 2005, they're part of Cartamundi - which around here has a reputation for making some really poor quality paper decks.  If Cartamundi is smart, they'll leave Copag alone and let them run independently, but who knows what the future will hold for them.